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MINUTES OF THE SAN JUAN COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING HELD
JUNE 28, 1982
Time: 10:00 a.m. in the Commissioner's room at the Monticello Courthouse.
Members Present: Chairman Calvin Black, Commissioner Robert Low and Commissioner Kenneth R. Bailey.
Minutes of the previous week were read and approved with the indicated changes upon the motion of Commissioner Low and the second of Commissioner Bailey and it carried unanimously.
HORSEMEN MEET TO DISCUSS THE RODEO GROUNDS;
Georgia Oliver, Julie Bailey, Kent Adair, Kent Rowley, and Keith Redd met with the Commission at 10:00 a.m. to discuss the condition of the County's rodeo grounds. Mr. Redd briefly discussed the history of the rodeo grounds. It was his understanding that the land was sold to the county on the condition that it would be strictly used for horse games. The Commission stated it would check the courthouse records to verify this point. The group was concerned that horse games and stock car races may not be compatible in the same arena as the horses require a soft, debris free surface to perform on and the stock cars require a hard packed surface.
Reconditioning of the arena, users fees, cleaning deposits, work in lieu of a fee, and controlled access to the rodeo grounds was discussed by the group. A meeting to formalize policies will be scheduled this week and will include representatives of all the county's horsemen and stock car interest groups, and Mr. Al Haskins and Commissioner Robert Low.
DARROLL YOUNG MEETS ON GOLF COURSE BILLING:
Mr. Darroll Young met with the commissioners at 11:00 a.m. to discuss the denial of claim for an invoice submitted by Young's Machine Company for work done on the Monticello Golf Course. The record of the full discussion will appear at the end of today's minutes.
BLANDING AMBULANCE MEETING REPORT:
Commissioner Low reported that he and Health Care Administrator, William Reger, attended the Blanding ambulance Association meeting this past week. During the meeting, Mr. Reger reported that the total expenses for all county ambulances for the past year were $31,000 and the County Ambulances showed a profit of $3,900.
MONTEZUMA CREEK ROAD DEDICATION:
Commissioner Bailey and Commissioner Low reported on their attendance at the Montezuma Creek road dedication at the Red Mesa Chapter House on Saturday, June 26th. Peter McDonald was the principal speaker and San Juan County was recognized for its cooperation in completing the road construction.
CITIES REQUEST CONSOLIDATED LAW ENFORCEMENT STUDY:
Commissioner Low reported that the cities of Blanding and Monticello have requested a law enforcement study to determine if consolidation of departments would reduce costs in any way. The Commission was asked to appoint someone from the county to serve on the study committee.
SIGNING POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS:
Commissioner Bailey reported that he was advised by the Utah Department of Transportation that in estab-lishing a county signing policy, the County should develop a long range signing program and complete a portion of the program each year. The Utah Department of Transportation will be abailable to offer assistance in setting up a long range program for the county.
B.I.A. TO STRIPE ROADS;
Commissioner Bailey reported that the B.I.A. will be responsible for striping the roads on their agreement
for road maintenance with the county, at their own expense, if the County will furnish the paint and beads.
BLANDING GOLF COURSE REPORT:
Commissioner Bailey reported that the Blanding golf course volunteer group needs to obtain a requisition signed by the Recreation Department before the Road Department can give them any fertilizer for the golf course. Commissioner Bailey also reported that the Road department will only charge for use of the county weed mower, if the golf course gourp will donate the labor.
HEALTH DEPARTMENT PHONE LINES INSTALLED:
Commissioner Bailey reported that, seperate telephone lines were installed for the Mental and Public
Health offices without defacing the courthouse building. The telephone company was able to use some of
the existing courthouse lines to complete the installation.
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UTAH ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES MEETING REPORT ON LAWSUITS;
Commissioner Black reported on his attendance at an Association of Utah Counties steering committee meeting to be briefed on certain lawsuits concerning the counties. Mr. Bill Peters has been appointed as director over the lawsuits.
SPENT NUCLEAR FUEL REPOSITORY UPDATE;
Commissioner Black reported on his attendance at the Governor's Advisory Council Meeting at which time
Al Rickeirs was appointed to head the Governor's information service on Nuclear Waste.
BID OPENING FOR COMPUTER SERVICES;
At 1:00 p.m. Commissioner Ken Bailey opened the proposals for Computer services for the County. Proposals
were received from Mesa Computer Company, I.B.M., and John Fellmeth. Mr. Fellmeth was the only bidder
present for the opening and he clarified for the commission the computer services, costs, and installation
training schedule provided in his proposal. Mr. Fellmeth stated that he would work with the county
through one complete cycle in each participating office.
Commissioner Bailey was authorized to take the proposals under advisement and if necessary, to hire an
independent expert in the computer field to aid him in analyzing each proposal. He agreed to contact
the bidders concerned if any questions arise regarding their proposals prior to awarding the bid.
JIM ALLRED REPORTS ON BLUFF TV RECEPTION STATION;
Communications Engineer, Jim Allred, met with the Commission to report on this past years efforts to
obtain clearance to construct a T.V. reception station in the Bluff area. He reported his feelings
of discouragement at recently finding out that he must make an environmental assessment report and obtain
an archaeology clearance before the B.I.A. will issue the required use permit. The Commission advised
Mr. Allred to contact Doug Pehrson and Winston Husrst for assistance with the report and clearance.
Chairman Black also offered to help Mr. Allred as much as possible to complete the permit requirements,
and agreed that a member of the commission will personally hand carry the completed information to the
B.I.A. authorities in Window Rock, Arizona.
DISTRICT RANGER RAYMOND CARLING MEETS WITH THE COMMISSION:
Moab District Ranger Raymond Carling met with the Commissioners concerning the repair of a 1/4 mile section of road on Forest Service land near LaSal. Mr. Carling reported that a mistake had been made in the engineering and it will require only a 2 ft. culvert, instead of a 6 ft. culvert, to restore the road. Commissioner Bailey made a motion to amend the agreement to allow for installation of a 2 ft. culvert by the county and authorize Chairman Black to sign the agreement in behalf of the county. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Low and it carried unanimously.
Chairman Black asked if Mr. Carling was aware that recently six elk on the Manti-LaSal Ranger District were illegally shot and left. The Commission also discussed their reasons for protesting the closing of any "D" roads in the Manti-LaSal District. Chairman Black felt that the "D" roads were passable by Jeep and should remain open to the public. Chairman Black also telephoned the Forest Servies Office concerning this matter.
Before leaving, Mr. Carling reported that the Free Firewood Permit will be changed to a Charge Firewood Permit beginning in July 1982. The charge has been set at $2.50 per cord of wood and a major portion of the fees collected will be used for making the wood cutting areas more accessable.
COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND ADVISES;
The County Attorney, Bruce Halliday, met with the commission for the purpose of reporting and advising the Commission on pending litigation against the county. He also discussed the possible tax adjustment for Dolores Bench Limited, and reported that more specific information is needed from the Utah Tax Commission in this matter.
Mr. Halliday also requested that the commission consider including a word processor for the County Attorney's Office as part of the computer service being bid by the county.
INITIATIVE PETITION RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSION:
The Commission received an Initative Petition entitled An Ordinance Prohibiting the Selling of Beer, the Distribution of Beer at Dances and to Intoxicated Persons, and the Purchase or Possession of Alcoholic Beverabes by Persons under Twenty-One Years of Age Within the Unincorporated Limits of San Juan County, State of Utah, and Providing Penalties for the Violation Thereof, and proposed by the sponsors for referral to the people of the County of San Juan, State of Utah, for their approval or rejection.
The County Clerk, Clytie Barber, certified that a sufficient number of valid signatures had been received to qualify the proposed ordinance to be referred to the Board of County Commissioners for consideration and action within 30 days from this date.
The Commissioners and the County Attorney reviewed the proposed ordinance. It was agreed by the Commission to take the proposed ordinance under advisement until July 27, 1982.
BILLS PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL AND PAYMENT:
Wayne Ball Monticello Library Janitorial service $ 200.00
Gary Martineau Blanding Library Janitorial Service 350.00
Mary Lou Mosher Key Operator IBM Machine 25.00
Bert Odette Monticello Library Grounds service 150.00
Eric Swenson Public Defender for June 1982 500.00
Reed Allsop Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
Nelson Begay Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
Rudy Cook Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
Mike Halliday Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
Jeff Hunt Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
Jack Kirby Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
S. Rigby Wright Uniform Allowance for May-June 1982 70.00
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase General Fund TCD 502,484.56
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase Road Capital Improvements TCD 800,000.00
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase Tax Stability & Trust Fund TCD 563,540.72
Joe Barnett Tool Allowance for June 1982 25.00
Johnson Begay Subsistance for June 1982 88.00
Jim Benally Subsistance for June 1982 112.00
Oley Black Tool Allowance for June 1982 25.00
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Robert Bryan Tool Allowance for June 1982 $ 25.00
Stanley Hawkins Tool Allowance for June 1982 25.00
Thomas Holly Subsistance for June 1982 96.00
Jack Rentz Subsistance for June 1982 88.00
George Sickler Tool Allowance for June 1982 25.00
Harold Williams Subsistance for June 1982 88.00
A & M Propane Propane 14.89
Aldrich, Nelson, Weight & Esplin Legal Services 50.00
Aquatech Chemicals 201.90
Kenneth R. Bailey 6 Months Travel 1,177.62
Yvonne Begay Matron 40.00
Bestway Products Company Cleaning Supplies 55.41
Blanding Library Box Rent 11.00
Blue Mountain Foods T.V. Dinners 541.17
Clark Boardman Company, Ltd. Sobel-Eye-Witness Identification-2nd Edit 47.43
A.M. Bruning Paper 133.64
C & C Construction Gravel Material pushed up & screened 3,000.00
Carr Printing Company 4pt NCR Uniform Summons/C 349.04
Chamberlain Construction & Mfg. Plumbing and supplies 177.60
Chevron U.S.A. Inc. Gasoline 81.55
Coast Marketing Group Pro. Base 284.80
Colonial Life & Accident Ins.Co. Insurance 109.80
Bonnie Dalton Jury Duty 14.30
William E. Davis JUry Duty 36.50
Don's Welding & Metal Shop Repairing Fence 313.80
E-Z Mart Gasoline 10.00
Eastmen Kodak Company Microfile MRD2 W/FLM Unit MCD2 435.00
Carl Eisemann Travel 16.80
Forestry Suppliers, Inc. Supplies 30.57
Four Corners Community Mental Health Center County share of Mental Health Funds 9,604.00
Bill Francom Travel 71.00
Gateway Chevron Tire Repair 5.00
Richard J. Guthrie Herbicide Spraying 150.00
Henderson Side Ring 41.60
Husky Oil Company Gasoline 128.64
International Business Machines Corp. Supplies 74.60
Jerry's Sporting Goods Supplies 13.80
Dennis Jones Travel 67.20
George Kensley Firefighter 21.00
Grant Leavitt Professional Service June 1982 1,080.00
Boyd Martin Company Supplies and Parts 592.46
B.J. Martineau Service Supplies 140.42
MuniChem Corporation Pool Supplies 424.75
Monticello Mercantile Groceries and Supplies 41.49
Barbara Montella Trip to Salt Lake City 121.80
June A. Morrell Weed Control 12.50
Motor Parts Cushion 11.47
Kent Nye Goggles 42.80
Motor Parts Supplies 24.23
P.& F. Parts and Supply Filters 28.53
Phillips Petroleum Company Tax on Gasoline 4.84
Parley Redd Mercantile Batteries 33.57
Redd's Motor and Labor 52.58
Redex, Inc. Freight 2,294.84
Rogers Food Center Groceries 54.16
San Juan County Assessors Office Petty Cash 84.38
San Juan County Fair Budget Melinda Johnson contest winner for Fair book cover 25.00
San Juan County Road Department Gasoline 2,090.70
Scenic Aviation, Inc. Autopsy Transportation 171.60
Sears Authorized Catalog Paint 10.46
Southeastern Public Service Company Freight 11.50
The Sportkeeper Wilson Baseballs 261.12
State Information System Services Teleprocessing service 149.00
State of. Utah 16-MM Kodak Film 190.80
James W. Stevens Travel 88.83
Texaco USA Gasoline 240.24
Thrift Way Marketing Gosoline 25.05
Tire & Auto Center, Inc. Check Brakes 8.00
TraveLodge Travel 52.00
Turf Equipment company Ryan Sodcutter Blade 31.69
Twin Rocks Market Gorceries for Road Block 19.20
United Laboratiories Disinfectant and Deodorant and Pine jell 299.37
USU Extension Service Supplies 105.23
Utah County Sanity Exam; Sanity Court Notice 120.00
Utah Power & Light Company Utility 54.30
Utah State Fair Entrance fee for County-Queen Contestant 40.00
Viking Office Products Supplies 78.69
Village Blacksmith Hoz. Blader 30.00
West Publishing Company Law Books 119.00
Wheeler Machinery Company Parts 2,068.90
James Heaton Travel 13.30
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase B-Road TCD 113,081.26
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase Collector Road TCD 375,063.26
First Security Bank of Utah Purchase Atlas Civil 4216 TCD 693,586.80
TRANSCRIPT OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN DARROLL YOUNG AND CALVIN BLACK;
Mr. Darroll Young: According to the events of April the 5th, Mr. Bailey was authorized to work with me. When I talked with him the next day about being compensated, Mr. Bailey told me that it was Calvin's responsibility and I should see him. On the following Monday, I was able to get with you, Calvin, and that's when we met on the golf course. I thought that was appropriate. You could see how the work was progressing on the culverts and you told me how you would like to see it done. I believe I tried to do it pretty much that way and I don't undetstand how I had a misunderstanding on the one matter and I under-stood how you wanted the golf course done.
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Chairman Calvin Black: My understanding of the entire situation may not be in total, but you had been concerned about the continued erosion at the golf course for some time and you had been in a number of times and Commissioner Boyle was in charge of that and you discussed it with him and my impression was that it had been taken care of and I was not aware that it hadn't. When you came in earlier this year, Doug and Ken had looked at it and Doug had made some recommendations on what it needed. In your first visit you made recommendations on what it needed and Commissioner Bailey said that wouldn't do the job, and you felt that it would. So, I asked you to come in and make a specific recommendation in writting and a schematic drawing of what you would propose to do. You came back without that, but just discussed it again and I think we probably pretty well had an idea, athought it is different now even of what was going to be done and what needed to be done. In all of the times you came in, Mr. Young, you talked about what you had done and your brothers and Young's Machine had done on the golf course, and that you had put in a lot of time, whether you said specifically you would donate your time, I do not remember, but it was the clear impression. From Looking at the minutes, there is never any discussion of compensa-tion. You never said that you wanted to be paid. I believe at one point you said that you would do this, you had done a lot of this in the past and "I guess I could do it again," as near as I can recall. But, at least, there was never any discussion of compensation. We were going to furnish the material, the county road crew and equipment would be made available, and you indicated that you would supervise the work. There was never any discussion in commission meeting, until we received that bill, of compensation You gave us a clear impression at all times that it was going to be donated. Then, as you indicated, you talked with Commissioner Bailey and he indicated that was my responsibility and you would have to talk to me. On the golf course, this is what you indicated to me, that you thought that Young's Machine ought not to have to pay for the Young's Tournament. I can't remember the exact amount given, but that is the only time that any amount was mentioned. At that point in time, you indicated that you didn't care about get-ting paid, but Young's Machine Company should be able to get that for all the work that they had done. I told you that it would be inappropriate and I had no authority to approve it then, but if you wanted compensation, then it should be in a public request in a public meeting and not be something under the table. People should pay for what they get, and if they want compensation then it has to come before the Commission. If you wanted compensation, that is what it would have to be. That, again, in the only amount that was ever talked about in compensation, and the next thing I knew about anything was when we received the bill for $4,900.00. We looked at that bill, and the history of it, and determined that there had never been any agreement or approval, or any amount per day, or any other figure, and the claim was denied.
Mr. Young: Well, I understood that in response to what you say, you personally asked me if I would supervise the work, here in Commissioner's meeting.
Chairman Black: That was after you had volunteered to do it. When you say, "I said," now if you want to say, "I understood," then that is something. But, when you tell me what I say, then that is the reason we are recording, so no one can say what somebody else said.
Mr. Young: Then I will say it this way. I was asked if I would supervise the work. Previously I had told the commission that in the past we had donated a lot of this stuff and at this time we didn't feel we were obligated to any more.
Chairman Black: You never indicated that in this Commissioner's meeting.
Mr. Young: Oh, yes I did. And I said that we didn't feel like we should be expected to donate further. I was asked to supervise the work, and I agreed to supervise the work. I said at that time, "I am not asking for a job, I am not looking for a job, I don't need a job, and I am busy."And when I was asked again, will I supervise the work if the county will furnish the material, I looked at my nephew, who was here with me, and I said,"Well, I suppose we could work that out, " and I said, "Yes, I will do it." Commissioner Bailey came to me in the Youngs machine offices to pick up this profile on the configuration of the planning, and it was at that time that I told him we felt like we ought to be compensated, at least to the extent of the use of the golf course for our tournament. . .
Chairman Black: You have already made that statement.
Mr. Young: Plus, golfing privileges for members of my family. Those are the two that I asked for. Commissioner Bailey told me that it was your department, and I should see you. That ended our discussion on that. And those are the things that I told you that I wanted. You omitted in you statement that I did ask for golfing privileges for my family. But I did ask for that at our meeting. You are right in tell-ing me that no, you didn't want to do it that way. You wanted us to pay for what we got and then you told me, and then you shook my hand, and thanked me. Now, I assumed the commissioners felt, and the way you put it, you put it this manner, "You pay for the services you get from the golf course and then you send a statement to us and we'll take care of it." Now, you didn't offer me any discounts for my golfing privileges, for any of my folkes, or anybody in the business. When I submitted my statement to you, I kept a very accurate account of everything we did. Not because I wanted to take advantage of the commis-sion or anything else. I wanted to have it as accurate as anthing else. Now, the work took a lot longer than any of us anticipated it would. In making an invoice for you, I spent at least 10 hours a day every day I worked for the county. I wrote you less then half of what I would bill a mining company for my services. In the interest of getting the job done, which I believe saved the county money, we used Young's winch truck and back hoe. In billing for those things, I billed you at the rate of $5.00 per hour for only the time that the winch truck worked, not when it was down on the golf course, but only the time that it was in operation. I kept good track of that. The back hoe was billed to you at only a rate of $6.00 an hour, which is a nominal rate. I felt that if I was to pay in full for the services I received from the county and send in a bill for my services. At the time before you and I parted standin on the course, I felt that I said that it was going to cost the county more, but I would give you a reasonable shake. And that is what I have done. I felt that it was proper because Mr. Bailey knew of the conversation. You knew of the conversation, yet you wouldn't invite me in to talk it over in your meeting. You just let me do the work and dismissed the invoice.
Chairman Black: Darroll, It is unbelieveable to me. I can understand where you can say that you had a different impression. The art of communication is very difficult. Even the written word can be taken for something different. You cannot be the sole authority on determining what you said, what somebody else said, what's right, and what's wrong. There is an area of misunderstanding. I never did say that I would compensate you. I did say that if you wanted compensation, you will have to submitt a statement and it will have to be considered at the commission meeting. I find it very difficult to believe that you really wanted compensation when you never discussed it in this meeting all the times you came in here. Instead, you continually discussed how much you had given. I never recall that you ever said that you wanted compensation in a commission meeting. There were some other people at the meetings and if you want it, we can put everyone under oath and we can have a hearing about what people believe were the facts. The only time compensation was ever mentioned was as has been discussed with Commissioner Bailey. The only time compensation was ever mentioned to me was the time you said down there that you wanted to have free golf . I do not recall you ever saying anything about your family. It was only that tournament.
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That is all that I recall that was mentioned. I do very vividly recall that, and I tell you exactly what went through my mind, "Darroll likes to come up and make a big deal about all he has contributed and then he wants to be compensated under the table, so to speak, so the public won't know about it." That is exactly the reason, if you want to know what I really thought. But, I said, " If you want compensation," and you had never mentioned it before, "then the proper way is to submit a bill." I expected that you might submit a bill requesting that Young's Machine be paid for the tournament. I was absolutely shocked when I got that bill. Yes, I did ask you if you would supervise, because you came in and you had all of the answers. Doug's answere were wrong; Ken's answers were wrong; you knew how to do it and I said, "Will you do it?" and you said, "Yes," and you never did say, "I want to be compensated." Now, even immediately after that conversation that we had down there, and as far as I am concerned, you should have come in the next day and presented what you wanted in compensation so that we had that opportunity to look at what it was going to cost. All we ever agreed to put out in money was that the county would supply the material and manpower that was available.
Mr. Young: Commissioners, I feel that the responsibility for bring that subject up in the Commission meeting was yours.
Chairman Black: That is your opinion. If you want to be compensated, you have to ask for it. Mr. Young: I had asked for it.
Chairman Black: You did not ask for it in this meeting. You never asked for compensation in a commission meeting. You had a lot of time to come in and do a lot of other things, but you never did and the record and witnesses that have been here will attest to that. And that is the only place any official action of this commission can take place.
Mr. Young: You had knowledge. Right now you have explained more than any other time what went on. Two of the Commission members knew about the suggestion.
Chairman Black: Then you should have brought it right up here because you were told to bring it up here if you wanted compensation. You were specifically told that in order to get compensation, it would have to be approved by the commission. You chose not to do anything 'til the time was all over. You had never discussed any compensation and rate of pay and the only compensation you had ever even mentioned was free golf for you and your family. You were told by Commissioner Bailey that you had to talk to me and you were told by me that it had to come to this commission meeting and then you didn't request what you asked for.
Mr. Young: Gentlemen, what you are saying is really not true and you are sure of it. Chairman Black: It is absolutely true. Mr. Young: No, Calvin, you told me....
Chairman Black: I told you exactly what I said. What you understood from that is you problem. I know what I said, and that is exactly what I said. I had already been told by Commissioner Bailey, and I had given it that thought. I know what I said. Now, I can understand that you may have interpreted it different. You seem to be able to intrepret anything you want to intrepret by whatever you think it is, and by whatever you said somebody else said. Now, if you were to tell me, "Now, I understood," or, "It is my understanding," then that is fine. But when you tell me precisely what I say when I know what I say, then that is a different story.
Mr. Young: You continue to villafy me by suggesting that I put on a big show and ask for something under the table.
Chairman Black: I said that was my impression. Otherwise, why did you not ask for compensation in a public meeting? All you ever did, Darroll, is talk about all you had done over the years and how you went down and put the car bodies. . . that is all you talked about. You never in this commission meeting ever asked for compensation until you brought the bill in, after having billed us, and asked why it was denied. You came in and voulunteered to do this work otherwise why didn't you state the compensation you wanted. I said at the time, "If we furnish this will you do the supervision." Now, that may have been a misunderstanding by me of your intent, but if you had the intent to get compensated, why didn't you bring it up at the commission meeting? Instead of waiting until the next day to bring it up to Commissioner Bailey and waiting several other days to bring it up to me privately.
Mr. Young: In answer to your question in that respect, the reason that I had never brought the idea that I Should be compensated at the meeting was because nothing had been finalized as to what we were going to do.
Chairman Black: You agreed to supervise it. Looks to me like you would be willing to spend you time and you'd want to know what you were being compensated if, infact, you expected compensation. My belief is you expected no compensation and got to thinking about it and decided you wanted it.
Mr. Young: I do insist that I made the statement to this body that I was not looking for a job; that I was not looking for work; that I was busy.
Chairman Black: And that to me ment that you would be willing to do it for nothing. If you had ment anything else, then that should have been the time you should have said that, "I am not looking for that, but I believe I ought to be compensated."
Mr. Young: Commissioner, you are being childish in your approach. You are being over bearing in your continual insistance that I can't remember what was said, and what was suggested to me, and what I should do. You accuse me of trying to put words in your mouth, yet you sit there and reiterate that these things didn't happen.
Chairman Black: I reiterate what my impression, or my understanding of the situation was. I do not believe that I have said or stated what you said, that you have disagreed with. Now, you have told me what I have said, and when I say, "No, that is not what I said," Darroll, you seem to want to be the sole judge and jury of what everybody said including you and everyone else, and what they ment. I can under-stand that you say you understood something, or understood me to say, but when you tell me that I said something, that I absolutely did not, that is a different situation.
Mr. Young: I have tried to indicate here that I acknowledge the fact that I might have misunderstood something. When a man tells me in about this many words that we want to keep things a public record....
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Chairman Black: That is correct, and I agree that I said that it has to be a public record. Mr. Young: I said, "That is alright with me."
Chairman Black: Then why didn't you come in and make it a public record? That is exactly what I told you to do in response to your request for payment. I told you to come in and make it a public record.
Mr. Young: I have already done the things that you are demending that I do.
Chairman Black: I have listened to everything you have said about three times. We have all said it and it ought to be enought for the record.
Mr. Young: Calvin, this is one thing that I would like to leave with you. I have always tried to remember what I have promised to do and tried to do it. I have always tried to not hold anyone else to anything they promised to do. When a man says to me, "Lets do it this other way, so it will be a public record," and tells me to submit an invoice to take care of it that way, and shakes my hand and thanks me for what I am doing, I assume that his word is going to be good.
Chairman Black: And it is. You submitted it, and we denied it because you had never requested it in a public meeting. And that ought to end the issue.
Mr. Young: That is a miserable excuse, and I am entitled to my opinion. Chairman Black: You have already told me.
Mr. Young. And I tell you this much more. You have treated me most shabbily. You have accused me of trying to take things under the table. The things I asked you to do for me are no different than the consessions you granted to those people who were talking about another county facility right here today. I was in no way trying to get anything for nothing.
Chairman Black: My question to you, Mr. Young, is why did you ask two commissioners privately and didn't talk to them in the Commission and make it a matter of public record?
Mr. Young: Because, I guess I am stupid. I was dumb enough to think that two commissioners would honor the talk that we had together.
Chairman Black: You were specifically told that nothing could be approved unless it came before this body in a public manner.
Mr. Young: I wasnft specifically told.
Chairman Black: You may have made the correct statement a moment ago.
Mr. Young: I was not specifically told that.
Chairman Black: You were specifically told.
Mr. Young: No, Calvin, you didn't use those words to me.
Chairman Black: I said it will have to go before the commission meeting.
Mr. Young: No, you didn't.
Chairman Black: I did.
Mr. Young: You just said submit your invoice and we'll handle it that way.
Chairman Black: I said, "it will have to come to the Commission." That is exactly what I said.
Mr. Young: Let me just say one more thing. You acknowledge in commission meeting that you asked me if I would supervise the work. I agreed to do that. That is the point at which I was hired. As far as my responsibility to tell you I wanted to be compensated, I had no greater responsibility then you had to say what will we have to do. So, don't blame it all on me that I was trying to get something und or the table. We both kind of messed up.
Chairman Black: That may be true, Mr. Young, but let me ask you one more question. Did you really believe the agreement had been made that you were hired and would be compensated? Then why did you feel it necessary the next day to contact Commissioner Bailey about compensation in a private meeting, and then later in a private meeting talk to me about compensation when it had never been discussed, and then you were told that if you wanted compensation, it had to come to this. And that's exactly what the record of commission minutes will show. It will show everything that has gone on.
Mr. Young: You are in a position to insure that is what they will show and I am sure that is what you will do.
Chairman Black: It is on the tape recorder, and it will be put on there in its entirety.
Mr. Young: Whatever you want to do is alright with me. It was not my responsibility to bring that problem back to this committee meeting. It was yours, because you had been approached, you had been told, you knew I was working, and if you, didn't want to compensate me then you should have stopped me from doing what I did. I completed the job for you. It is a good job, and I think you will all have to admit that if you look at it. You got your monies worth. I offered you a reasonable invoice for my time. It is what I promised you down on the golf course that I would do. And I'll say it one more time, I kept my work all the way through on this thing. Thank you, gentlemen, for you time.
Chairman Black: The record will show that the claim was denied. I recommend that under the circumstances the Mr. Youngs point of view was expressed, my point of view was expressed, Commissioner Bailey's, according to his involvement, has been expressed. On the basis of what I consider to be the facts,... the claim was denied.
There being, no further busings for this day, the meeting was adjourned at 4:45 p.m.
Calvin Black, Chairman Mary Jane Phillips, deputy clerk